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Sep 7 2007

Another thread about micros and lame caches fired up around September 6, 2007

tozainamboku, Wednesday 4:31 PM

Stop eating Butter Pecan ice cream.

Of course if you stop looking for or logging cache you don't like other people will still be finding those caches and logging "TFTC" so it probably won't have much effect.

Some people like Butter Pecan ice cream. I can't imagine who they are or why there are so many. I wish there were only the flavors that I like. But so far I haven't been able to convince the manufacturers to stop making those other flavors or the other ice cream consumers to stop buying them.

CoyoteRed, Thursday 6:35 AM

The "Ice Cream Rebuttal:" This might be a valid rebuttal if ice cream came in infinite flavors which would mean you'd only know if you liked it after you sampled it. Sure, you could look through the case and check the name, ingredients and color, but without sampling it, you wouldn't know. Why do you think every shop--that I've been in anyway--give free tastes?

Rockin Roddy, Thursday 6:43 AM

That's why I'd suggest everyone "sample" the various caches out there before ignoring "microspew"!

CoyoteRed, Thursday 7:03 AM

I'm assuming you're talking about sampling the various styles of hides of which one is MicroSpew™. Am I understanding correctly?

If so, this is exactly what I'm talking about. If not, then you pretty much have to sample each cache, in person, to see if it's worthwhile to visit.

You can't know that a particular cache is spew until you sample it--that particular cache--and then you've already got the taste in your mouth. There's no button, type, icon, or attribute that identifies a cache as spew. This is why spew is mistaken as micros or urbans or easy caches. Spew can't be virtually visited as you never know if a weird statue is in front of a Target or a cool mosaic is across from a street corner--unless it is mentioned in the description and logs. Of course, doing so would then ruin the surprise.

Of course, we wouldn't have to visit each and every caches to see if it was worthwhile to visit in the first place if we were able to rely on others to determine this for us. The problem is we don't have the tools to reliably do so.

Markwell, Thursday 7:39 AM

So the ice cream analogy is more akin to Bertie Bot's Every Flavor Beans?

"You want to be careful with those," Ron warned Harry. "When they say every flavor, they mean every flavor -- you know, you get all the ordinary ones like chocolate and peppermint and marmalade, but then you can get spinach and liver and tripe. George reckons he had a booger-flavored one once."

Ron picked up a green bean, looked at it carefully, and bit into a corner.

"Bleaaargh -- see? Sprouts."

May 11 2006

There was a discussion in May of 2006 about people falsely logging multiple finds on a single cache. This has come up MANY times before, as well as people logging finds on caches where they were in the general vicinity and claim a find, or where the owner says it's OK to go ahead an log a find. The thread culminated in a couple of posts:

For example, the community already generally agrees that entirely ficititious logs are not acceptable. We also agree that logging finds on your own caches is bad form.

But beyond that, there is a gray area. Next in line comes logging a cache as a find because you couldn't find it but you tried hard. Then comes logging a find on an archived cache on this site because you found a cache listed on another site. Then comes logging a missing cache as a find if you replace the container with a new one. Then comes logging a missing cache as a find if the owner says it is OK. Then comes logging additional finds on a cache if the owner gives you a "bonus" find for something else. Then comes logging pocket caches. Then comes logging multiple finds at an event. Then comes logging multiple finds on a cache that has moved. Finally comes logging a cache found by a group as a find for each member of the group.

Wow. That was such a cool post, I thought it deserved its own graphic.

...and my respect for people who do it is diminished considerably.
...but if other people do so it doesn't affect my respect for them.

Not to detract from this great post, but my respect for a person, even in the Geocaching world, is not dependent on their find count or the list of caches they've found or not found. When I see a find count, I go, "Hmmm. Isn't that interesting" and then move on. If it's a log on a cache the ONLY bearing the person's find count would mean to me is how reliable their DNF is. If a person has found 5,107 caches and they log a DNF on a cache that is a difficulty 1, I would think that cache is missing. In the forums, a person's find count usually doesn't enter into how I respond. Most of the people I have conversations with, I couldn't tell you their find count.

I posted in the other forum, and from the quotes above, some of this might be repeats from this lengthy thread, but I'll say my couple of quips here:

	Markwell Posted:	How can you cheat when nobody wins? Did I miss the prize?
	CO Admin Posted:	...everyone should do what they think is right and STOP worrying about what the other guy is doing.
	Markwell Posted	I would also add that cachers should probably stop worrying about how others feel regarding what they are doing.

Sep 2 2005

O.K. Enough with the nicety-nicety stuff above. I've finally got something meaty to say, and dadgummit, I'm going to say it. After all, this is MY site, and there's something in the first amendment about free speech, so...

The Following Statement is my opinion alone, and does not represent Geocaching.com, Groundspeak, GPSGames.org or any other party.

Years ago, television shows had some meat to them. E.R., Star Trek, Marcus Welby, Friends (yea, I know), Mork and Mindy, M*A*S*H. They were scripted, well thought out and specifically wanted to elicit a given response. But actors cost money. Script writers cost money. Special effects cost money. Good ones cost even more. Enter the Reality Show. No scripts are needed. "Actors" are people just off the street who expect very little money in return in comparison to a Jennifer Anniston or Noah Wiley. One Reality Show (Survivor) was a novelty. Networks saw this as the pantacea for solving their shrinking dollar woes. Now we have a television season with The Amazing Race, Survivor, The Apprentice, Average Joe, Big Brother, Fear Factor, The Bachelorette, Lost, Extreme Makeover, Less than Perfect, Wife Swap, blah, blah, blah. What was once a novelty because it was cheap and simple to put together is now the mainstay. Many are bemoaning the fact that even though these shows are cheap and useless entertainment, the force of the cable programming networks is making it so that Program Directors need to utilize these shows as their main course just to keep in the black. Sure Fear Factor is fun once, but how many times can you wonder if that pretty girl in the bikini is going to throw up when she has to eat the cow eyeballs?

Start to see the analogy? Caches used to have decent hikes to them. They took people to hidden cool places with local history and scenic beauty. Then came the the code-word micro cache where individuals placed pill bottles with Q-Tips or broken lightbulbs on guard rails and call it a cache. Geocaching.com stopped the practice when people started throwing old sneakers into the woods with the "code word" of finding the shoe size and brand of sneaker (or tennis balls, or golf balls). So the bare minimum standard became a container and a log book.

On May 4, 2001, I placed my first cache. It was a multi-stage cache ending in a film canister (which was eventually replaced with a small tupperware container). Quasimodo's Quandary had a long and well-appreciated life. It would be almost one year later (April 14, 2002) that I would find my first micro: Circus History, in a place that obviously wouldn't house a full-sized cache. It's a cemetery. Same with Gangster's Final Hideaway. In late summer of 2002, more and more code-word micros came out, and eventually they were replaced by log-only micros. However, these were placed in forest preserves or parks that could easily have housed full-sized caches. Or worse yet, there was no apprarent reason to come to the location at ALL other than to find the cache.

I guess my beef isn't just with micros, though. If a cache is a micro, that doesn't necessarily mean that I'll hate the cache. I have found some EXCELLENT micro caches. There are bad and good micros, just like there are bad and good caches. So - what (in Markwell's opinion) makes a cache "bad"? It's been asked in the forums numerous times, but I'll put my definitions here in case anyone reads this page. But I need to do it by process of elimination, or reverse logic. In my opinion, here are characteristics that make a cache a GOOD experience:

Any one of these characteristics on a cache, and I'll think it's pretty cool. Combine a few, and it scores more points. But if it doesn't have a single one of those characteristics, I'll be asking myself why I was brought here. If I have to ask myself that, I would think the cache was disappointing.

Case in point:
Nashville has a reputation for many, many, many, MANY micro caches in not-well-thought-out locations. When I traveled in December of 2004 to Chattanooga, I had heard the reputation. My Pocket Queries specifically eliminated micro caches for this reason. I even had a cacher e-mail me indicating not to waste my time with any of his caches, as they were not good ones.

My wife and I were driving back home, and needed a rest stop for the kids. We took an exit that promised lunch and a convenient cache hunt. It was only a couple hundred yards from the exit. We took care of business and started looking at the GPS. It directed us toward an overgrown area on the backside of a mall parking lot. The coordinates seemed to go into the bushes, then they turned around toward the parking lot. Sure enough, the cache was a micro cache in the base of a lamp in the parking lot of a Walmart. My son had been looking forward to a location in which he could drop off his Travel Bug. I was taken aback. How had this cache slipped into my PQ?

Turns out that the owner specifically chose not to mention the size of the cache. The cache description admonished people who might think it's not up to snuff to not be judgmental. Basically, even though I did my best not to search out caches like this, I was duped into wasting my time on a cache that I specifically had not wanted to search for. Did I log it and claim the find? Yes. But that's my hypocracy to deal with.

How are these cache hurting you? Can't you just ignore them and find the others? Evidently from that case study in the last paragraph, the answer is "no." But more importantly, it's about saturating an area with caches like this. When a person starts caching in an area (either moving in or just starting caching), they'll look at what's around and decide that this might be the way everyone caches. Putting a good cache out with good materials in a good location takes effort and thought, and even a little money. Simple throw-away caches without any thought to placement are the Reality T.V. shows of Geocaching.

Occasionally, you get e-mails that warm your heart. This was an unsolicited e-mail, and I have no idea what prompted it's being sent. (Text has been slightly changed for anonymity):

My wife and I began geocaching after she got me a GPS. We have read all your FAQs and are still going through your great web site, we have read a majority of the geocaching.com messages boards, joined the local group's message board, downloaded the EasyGPS, found a handful of caches and two TBs, AND we have had the most fun ever, and now, the most important thing for us to do is to thank you for all you have done for the sport and for us.

Your advice is always sound. Your comments on the message boards can be traced to the coordinates of maturity (it's never petty) and community (it's never narrow minded). That means you understand the sport very well and you have the generosity to share with others. Your vision for the sport is larger and more far reaching than the rest of us.

My wife and I know we have reaped the benefits of the countless hours you worked and worked — and which we received for FREE. Incredible.

And there's geocaching.com who provides an amazing web site.

And there's all those ingenious cache owners who selected little gardens of edens for us to enjoy.

And there's all the previous geocachers who protected and cared for the caches before we arrived so that our experience would be as memorable as theirs. They recorded their finds and adventures on geocaching.com. We read them like an ongoing True-Life adventure story — which it is. They did this to help people they don't even know. Hey, it is us and we thank you!

We are in your debt and in the debt of so many kind, intelligent people.

As the sport continues to explode in popularity your leadership will continue to be important and always deserve a tip o' the hat from us.

Verbed
Oct 26 2002

To Markwell, To Markwell, to post an old thread
Search again, Search again, wasn't that dead?
To Markwell, To Markwell, We've said it before
Search again, Search again, It's quite a bore

I've been verbed.

In the great tradition of Ernesto Miranda, I've earned a name for myself, and that name has come to have a specific act associated with it. It turns out that I have a great memory for the Groundspeak forums, especially those historic threads. As my FAQ page states, “There is nothing new in the world except the history you do not know.” (Harry S Truman)

So CYBRET proposed in this thread a new addition to the Geocaching dictionary:

Markwell: (märk’-wehl), verb

To cite a thread (or threads) where a topic was already discussed thus putting an end to the need to discuss it again.
Also: Markwelled, Markwelling, Markweller
Example: “I started a thread about Geocaching nude but it got Markwelled!”

And so began a couple of days of good natured yucking and chuckles. I even participated by citing references about Markwelling. It's all in good fun, and I've kind of enjoyed the notoriety.

It did get out of hand once, just enough to make everyone say, "OK, we've laughed. Let's move on." Socko posed a question about stolen caches in a thread, only to have Planet indicate the Markwell will surely post something. What he meant was that I would cross-link the thread, but Socko took it to mean that I have personal knowledge of stolen caches. The laughter died, and I'm still cross posting historical threads, and I don't mind the title of archivist.

Just how much time DO I spend in the forums?

Status Update - Feb 2004: Since I haven't been posting nearly as much in the forums as I used to, in this post, Team GPSaxophone changed my status from Archivist to Ent. The idea of an Ent (taken from Tolkien's LOTR) is an old sage creature with much wisdom. They used to be very prevalent, but are now only seen rarely. Cool.

After a Year
Mar 9 2002

Another meaningful post reared its little head, when I waxed philosophic on the anniversary of registering for Geocaching.com. The thread and the responses are here, but I'm posting the original text below...

My fellow Geocachers. It has been one year since I started with this obsession of Geocaching.

Comments from the home front have been a wide range:
"When are you coming off that darn computer?!?"
"Honey - do you want to go Geocaching this weekend?"
"Which Geocache are we hitting this weekend?"
"E.E.S.!" (My two year old shouting his enthusiasm for when I grab the GPS and a fresh set of batteries.)
"Daddy will you please finish checking your e-mail and the messages so I can play Buzz Lightyear on the computer?" (that would be the 6yo)

I've found 54 caches on 64 hunts, including two cache frenzies - one in August and one in Feburary, but not including three revisited caches, two for placing Travel Bugs and one just for the fun of it. Two of these 54 caches were ones that I had actually planted (how's that for cryptic). I've made 1,322 posts on the old forums and about 20 on the new ones. Some have been profound - others have been quite nausiating. I've made countless friends, both near and far through both caching and dashing. I've learned a little HTML and UBB, my typing skills have improved (even if my spelling has not).

I've placed 7 real-life caches in two states, activated 5 Photographer's Caches (and adopted five others), am currently acting as nanny to one cache, and have released 7 travelers, 6 with bug tags and one pre-bug hitchhiker. I have co-hosted one gathering of Geocachers, and am planning a second annual event.

I have frittered away countless hours in front of the computer screen, but have learned a great deal about mathematics, coordinate systems, hexidecimal code, great circle calculations and the forumlas used to calculate distance and bearing (and how that compares with using a pythagorean calculation).

I have personally battled with county forest preserves (and lost) and been to some of the best physical places in the entire Chicago area and down in the Cumberland Trail area of Chattanooga.

I have lost about 15-20 pounds and found a hobby that I can thoroughly enjoy as a family.

Never before have I encountered such a large body of honest and intelligent people as the Geocaching family. For the most part, we are a tolerant group consisting of a common interest and obsession. We want to spend all of our time out finding these little boxes, but end up spending just as much time talking online when we can't get out.

Why and I writing this? Nothing more than to say thank you...

to Jeremy, for working as hard and tirelessly as he does in maintaining a fluid and accurate database and keeping a website running that should have maxxed out its servers long ago
to all the local cachers for placing excellent caches
to all the ingenious people who have placed innovative caches that have inspired my own creations
to those who have hunted my caches (especially the 8 that have found Pi) and been so complimentary of my hard work
to my fellow posters, for their humor, intelligence, wit and keen observations

I started making a list of names, but I know I would have left someone out, so I'll just say "all of you"). You are my friends, my second on-line family, my source for conversation. I consider that this year has truly been a blessed one. I thank you all for making it truly memorable. I look forward to many more years of box and coordinate finding and hiding. God Bless each and every one of you!

Why???
Aug 18 2001

Another thread post of meaning occurred when Sluggo started the thread WHY does Geocaching "Turn-You-On"? In it, he asked: What is it about this game (activity/sport/hobby/…/…/ad nauseum) that is soooo addictive? I mean, really, some psychiatry major could probably base a Master’s thesis or a PhD dissertation on the addictive attributes of geocaching. My wife and I make a lot of references to Defending the Caveman in our lives to help us understand each others' thought process. That enters in to my response, of which I'm particularly proud:

My wife and I think there's definitely anthropological elements to the draw of caching as well. "Caveman go into wilderness and hunt scary box in woods. Use magic talisman to help find it. Beat chest loudly and roar when it is found. Go home and brag about conquest." While not really that simplistic or even that gender specific, there is something intriguing about going out and finding a box in the wilderness that plays to my instinctive curiosity. In our agrarian society, we don't get much chance to go out, hunt and conquer anymore.
As mentioned in previous posts, the "Santa Clause Effect" plays heavily, but depending on the cache placers, there are other forces at work on the hiding side. I for one enjoy giving a mental challenge to the cache finders. Another cacher in my area plants caches extremely well in extremely populated locations, making it very tricky to retrieve and rehide the cache discretely.
Every cache hidden is unique in its location - and what motivates the cachers to place at this particular location is just as intriguing as the caches themselves. It's also a great surprise seeing what other people leave as trade trinkets. It gives us a little window into the lives of the people that have been here before.

Why?
Mar 9 2001

Early in my GPS experience, I posted my first response to a question in the forums. This was before I even had my GPS. The thread topic was Naive question, but what's the point? I recently re-read my post, and found it much more eloquent that I usually am. Yellow italicized sections are additional comments added in 2002.

I, too, am fairly new to Geocaching, but I'm getting into it purely for the edification of my 5 year old boy. This summer, his family in the Chicago area, and his grandparents in Chattanooga, will be taking little suburban boy out into the wilderness hiking, learning directions, learning to read maps, learning the "2D" representation, etc., all with not only the hopes of a small prize, but with the altruistic idea of leaving something for someone else who will visit it in the future. What a GREAT educational experience (and relatively free since Grandma is buying the GPS). Grandma ended up not buying it - I did. And who's to say I won't enjoy it right along with him. I'm outside in the wilderness, with a little technological help, hoping to find a well placed cache that has a significant meaning for the indivdual that placed it.
Point? So many things in life have no point to some and a great meaning to others. Me, I watch the Superbowl only for the commercials, have never sat through an entire World Series or NBA championship, and can't see why anyone would smack a little white ball with a club around a golf course. But I do enjoy camping, hiking, rafting, and technology. The glorious thing about our civilization is for those who find and interest, there is usually and avenue to pursue that interest - even though to others, there may be no point.

Non omnes vagi perditi sunt
What the heck is that?!?

Mar 9 2001

I found a great quote for Geocaching and Geodashing in one of my favorite books: The Lord of the Rings, Book I: The Fellowship of the Ring by J. R. R. Tolkien. In it, the Hobbit Bilbo Baggins has written a poem describing the wandering heir to the thrown of the King of Men: Aragorn (also known as Strider). Aragorn has chosen the life of a Ranger of the North, wandering the wilderness defeating the allies of the Enemy and protecting the northern lands. Bilbo's poem is below:

All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.
From the ashes a fire shall be woken,
A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be blade that was broken,
The crownless again shall be king.

The line "Not all those who wander are lost" really captures the essence of Geocaching and Geodashing - we wander through the wilderness enjoying ourselves, but we are not lost by any means - unless of course, there are two of us with GPSrs. I wanted to use it as a tag line to my signatures, but I found that a fellow cacher and dasher (Ed Hall of the Geocaching Pin Maps) was already using it. So, I had some help translating it into Latin, just because it sounds "brainier" and is kinda cool.

One of my fellow dashers also found the translation into Elvish from the Lord of the Rings book, but since I don't have those characters on my computer's keyboard, I'll just leave it as Latin.

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